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My Quick But Long Response to Discovery Health Radical Parenting Show

I have so much running through my brain after reading many negative responses to last nights airing of Radical Parenting on Discovery Health. I am speaking particularly on the Radical Unschooling segment. 20 minutes on TVsure can whip up a lot of opinions!! There was obvious editing and “the experts” were obviously from the other much more traditional side of parenting (and didn’t back up there expert opinions with any facts).

For those who watched and are now leaving negative  comments on Radical Unschooling all over the place here is some basic information (which many of you seem to be lacking) Radical Unschooling is a way of life, not just an educational choice. Just like someone who is catholic isn’t just catholic on Sundays at mass or a vegetarian only at dinner.  And just like those families that aren’t unschooling, learning is happening all the time. ALL THE TIME. You can’t not learn. Your brain never shuts off. So even those that choose another type of education or lifestyle-you’re still learning all the time too. So don’t give those teachers all the credit!

Radical Unschooling has little to do with school-we don’t “do” school. We (along w/ our kids because we too are learning all the time) learn by living. We read, play games, visit museums, libraries, cook, garden, investigate.  These are the  things more traditional families consider learning opportunities too- you plan trips around this stuff, you do it on the weekends you look back on these experiences with fond memories. We do it everyday.  All those things that are just part of everyday life are learning opportunities  too (grocery shopping -the list making, price comparison, budget making, reading labels…). When we need to know something we find the answers-ask someone, look it up, take a class. We are in charge of our learning. Anything you want to know the answer is out there for you to find. You don’t have to sit in a class room for 12 yrs! Go find the answer yourself.

As a parent it is my job to expose my kids to as much stuff as I can. You never know what will spark an interest. And that interest will lead to more in depth learning-be it dinosaurs, robots, computers or biology. Who are we to say what is important enough to learning and what isn’t. And for those that need it clarified-our learning is well rounded. example….Susie loves rocks. Everywhere she goes she picks them up. So as a parent I plan trips to find good rocks. We look up some places on the internet, we get books out from the library-(reading, english) We pick a place to go (geography, math, science) We go there and dig (earth science) We identify our rocks and figure out why these types of rocks are different than the ones we picked up on our trip out west.(more science, english, math, geography)  And it goes on and on. All the time.  Not just on Saturdays or in the evenings.  Not only in the 4th grade because that’s when you study rocks. And not only for a week because now you have to learn about something your not interested in because your course of study has been pre determined by people who know what and when and how in depth you will be learning certain things.  That is the “school” part of Radical Unschooling.

I say it is a lifestyle because we are not telling our kids what to learn or how to learn it. They are deciding and as a parent I am helping when they need it, yet putting “stuff” out there all the time (with no expectations ). We are respecting there choices. We are trusting them to listen to themselves. I am not telling my kids to put a coat on because it is cold or go to bed because I say it’s time for you to be tired. That’s not to say we don’t have a bed time routine-teeth brushing, jammies, reading books, lights down low. But as an example my 11 yr old, after all of that last night, stayed up watching an animation tutorial on the computer after I fell asleep.

Yes, Sarah Parent read something on the show for one of her kids-If your husband said to you”What does that say” would you stand there and quiz him or just read it for him. There will be loads of opportunities for kids to read-it is an unavoidable part of life. More than 90 % of the population learns to read on their own. Exposure is key!

I think the main difference is an unschoolers definition of success. Success to us would be our children growing up to be happy. Happiness trumps all-sorry! If you are happy working at McDonalds-excellent! Working there fills a need-people like burgers and fries and somebody needs to make em and serve em! If you are happy being a plumber-great! I bet you learned that on the job didn’t you? If you are happy going to college-great. Glad your choice of higher education is working out for you.

One comment I read said it is our job to make sure our kids don’t think they are the center of the universe! What??-why not???  My kids, my family are the center of my universe! They are special and perfect to me. They should be honored and valued as such so that they have the confidence and love for themselves to be the best possible human being they can be. The world will teach them disappointment- it is part of life. I don’t feel the need to knock them down (figuratively) so they get used to it and know what it’s like.

Ok-I have to go-this was typed out super quickly-so don’t judge unschooling by my typos or anything grammatically incorrect. I don’t even have time to read through it a second time!

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Posted in homeschooling and unschooling by Kristen on March 4th, 2010 at 4:10 pm.

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  1. There was a lot of vitriol about that segment on that blog (which I followed you from). I am a Radical Unschooler, but choose not to make my children “the center of the universe”. It probably amounts to the same thing as they get to do most of what they want. We are more family-centered in our approach, but it’s a philosophical hair-split, in all likelihood, and doesn’t necessarily change how things really look if you examine a whole life, which, of course, is impossible. Which is also why the 20 mins of that unschooling family was probably a very poor representation.

    So many of the complaints about the program were ludicrous out-of-context. They acted as though 7-year-olds are supposed to be supporting themselves and balancing the checkbook. Most of the adult skills our children learn are modeled for them for a good long while. Clearly, folks don’t understand the concept of learning. They can only see teaching. We don’t make use of teachable moments all day every day. We take opportunities here and there to discuss things as we would with an adult, but in my life, we just live, we don’t create a curriculum out of life by taking everything apart and saying “oh, here is where we teach reading” and “here is where we teach math.” So I would absolutely read a sign for my child (who can also read on his own and is 7) and would explain that a dollar wasn’t enough for something. Jeez.

    I guess people are just upset that they get to have fun all the time while everyone else is busy doing what they’re “supposed” to do!

    My children are watching videos on a laptop while I run around the internet yelling at everyone… lol

  2. Excellent. I’m not an unschooler but I think it is valid and even admirable. I’m still trying to talk my husband into letting me do traditional homeschooling next year!
    Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised but I was very disappointed that people took this 20 minutes and applied it not only the the Parent family’s entire life but to all other homeschoolers and unschoolers. Do a little research, look at the results and then decide if it’s right for your family because frankly, that’s the only family you need to be worrying about!

  3. I think this is an excellent and much more valid view of “unschooling” then what has been written about in regards to the show (which I actually didn’t see). However – subtly saying that parents who use and believe in a formal education don’t use or understand the value of experiential learning (as in your rock description) is false. We do it all the time for our preschooler and don’t plan to stop when she gets into kindergarden. It’s my job as a parent to expose her to as much as possible and help her discover new ways to build on what she is learning in the classroom. Does it happen every single moment of the 14 hours she is awake? No, and I doubt it does in your house either.

    And I think having to study something or do something you don’t find particularly interesting is a valuable lesson. You are never going to get to do exactly what you want to do in every moment of your life. Working at McDonalds or being an artist or being a CEO are all going to lead to having to get through projects, work and things you would rather not do. And just because you don’t WANT to learn about XYZ doesn’t mean a few days worth of in-depth study isn’t going to uncover a new interest. I hated swim team when my mom put me on the team at age 6 – I threw a fit before every practice for the first 6 weeks. But, she had paid for the season and I was going to complete the program. By the end of the summer I loved it and went on to swim competitively for the next 13 years. If I was allowed, at age 6, to declare that swimming wasn’t an interest I wanted to pursue I would have missed out on years of fanatic opportunities and memories.

  4. Kakaty-I was just using the rock description to show that you don’t have to be in school to learn all that stuff. All that compartmentalized learning. And more importantly we are all learning all the time. And you are correct, my helping to expound upon knowledge doesn’t happen every single moment-but as I pointed out, we don’t have to wait for the weekend or the evening either.
    As far as forcing kids to drudge through things they don’t want to do. There are plenty of things in everyday life that we can’t control that are boring: sitting in traffic, waiting in line at the store, not being able to drive until you are 16, not having enough money to buy what you want. Life has many teachable moments! And as an adult there are plenty more day to day tasks which although we may not love them, we see the benefit in them-washing clothes or dishes=clean clothes and dishes etc…. I honestly don’t see any value in forcing anybody to do anything they don’t like or want to do. Why? Life is too short. And you may not get to do what you want at every minute but hopefully the big picture (the benefit) of your job makes the boring stuff worthwhile.
    As far as your swimming, I wouldn’t want to fight with my kids everyday for six weeks in hopes (at best) that they might find an interest.
    Thanks for reading my post and responding! I appreciate the conversation!! You sound like a parent committed to their kid and that can’t be a bad thing!!

  5. Vegas710—Here Here-you couldn’t be more right! We are doing what we think is best for our own families. And that’s the best you can do!! Thanks for stopping by and commenting!

  6. anna kiss—You are right about splitting hairs. It’s all about respect. There is no reason why I can’t politely ask my kids to help me or pick up there stuff. But without expectations! They can say No and I can either pick it up or do it myself or not. We all have choices. As far as the reading and math portrayed in the show-the boy read F R E E on the potatoes. And like you we do not compartmentalize our learning either. Aren’t we all just hear to live in harmony? It is not my job to teach my kids lessons-living life takes care of that. If your kid needs help reading or adding, just help them out just like you would your husband, partner or friend. Just do it-with out all kinds of baggage and forethought attached to your actions.
    Yes-I think you hit the nail on the head-Choosing Joy and happiness is so foreign to people. They think they “have” to do so many things. Everything is a choice. I think that is what is making people so mad about these issues. Because we are happy and having fun and not forcing our kids to do stuff nor forcing ourselves to do shitty, boring stuff either. You only have one life-and it could end tomorrow-so live today and everyday as it were your last!
    Thanks so much for commenting!!

  7. gosia Mar 4th 2010

    Hi Kristen, I’ve read some of your posts on unschooling, and I have to say I have rather mixed feelings. I prefer a more traditional model of teaching. A request that my kids pick up toys is a teachable moment for me, as it teaches them respect toward their immediate environment, their family, and – responsibility. They may have a choice in regards to what they eat, how they dress, and whether or not they are hungry/thirsty, but in some situations they have to respect authority (and I mean here being authoritative, not authoritarian) simply because, at this age, they are not always capable of making the right choice, and deal with limitations imposed on them by social rules that have to be respected. The freedom of making their own choices will increase with time, but it is my responsibility to help them learn how to choose right, and this means also – what’s right for them. We are social animals, and family means practicing big world on a smaller scale. I don’t rely on school teaching my kids everything (values come from home), and I do many of the things you do – I ended up with earthworms in my house multiple times, and one time one of them even landed on a highchair tray! Thankfully, nobody ate it. We also have Madagascar cockroaches as pets because my son was fascinated by them once. And I think my kids are just as happy at school (so far;-) as they are at home.

  8. Hi Gosia—(this is my local friend Gosia-right? since I don’t have your email to check-I will assume it is you!!) I am certainly not saying there are absolutely no rules in my house-No hurting each other or our stuff. YOu can hurt your own stuff though. Be respectful to others-If it is 10:30 and people are sleeping then those that are up should be quiet. I do the same for Jake at noon. So it goes both ways. Social rules have a way of pointing themselves out. You don’t pick up your stuff and it’s laying all over the floor-the dog might eat it, someone may step on it. You choose to not brush your teeth-well remember how you hated getting your cavities filled and you don’t like it when we turn our faces away from you when you talk-but your breath stinks. In our family practicing treating each other the way we would like to be treated is a good way to learn to be in the big world too. Luckily for us here in the US we have choices. I think unschooling is best for my family-it doesn’t work for all families just as traditional school doesn’t work for all families. Thanks for commenting!
    Did you see the article in last Sundays Dispatch about polka and Polish food in Cleveland? We can’t wait to go and take my in-laws on our next trip home to Cleveland!! Hope to run into you soon!

  9. Well, I sort of think that all the nasty bits about life that we have to do are there and we can be miserable about them and probably will be a lot over the course of a lifetime. So, in that sense, that’s plenty modeled and experienced without throwing arbitrary hierarchies into the mix. We have enough prescribed hierarchies and rules and social contracts in the world and enough crap we have to get done that I don’t like adding more. The kids will get it.

    We like to emphasize the collective in our family. We’re all here and we all have to work together to make our lives work. Sometimes that takes saying things like “when you want to do xyz, I need to prepare in this way, so it’s really imperative that you help me……NOW.” And sometimes I can’t help it – my inner asshole/control freak comes out and I go off. I think it’s more important to be genuine than it is to be upbeat or gentle, personally. But that could be just me. lol

  10. I just wrote a post about my unschooling adventure, but it’s in Dutch, so you probably can’t read it. For me, the most amazing thing is how good it feels to me and my daughter (8). We’ve been relaxed homeschoolers for the last 2,5 years, but because I was very ill the last months, out of necessity, we started unschooling. She has grown so much and we have had such wonderful times together. Because I could not read, she offered to read to me, and she is dyslexic. She read all her all time favourits to me, picture books and even complicated ones. I could not see if she read everything there was but i could understand each story and it gave us so much pleasure. If she wanted to bake a cake, she had to do it herself and it worked. My trust in her has grown so much and her trust too. My biggest point was to keep my mouth shut when she was working on problems and wait for her to work it out or come to me for questions. I’m slowly getting better (I had Lyme disease in my nerves, including my eyes) but we want to keep on living like this, but with much more fun and excersize. Thanks for your blog, I love to read it.

  11. Josh–Funny but I may be able to have my, soon to be nephew, read your blog post to me-he is Dutch! He was born in Holland and has lived in the US since he was a baby. Small world!! Your story is so wonderful an uplifting. Another lesson in trust. I am glad to hear you are feeling better-I hope your health continues to improve! Thanks for reading and leaving a comment on my blog!!

  12. Really love this post! Came here through Josh :D . More ‘classical education’ doesn’t work for our oldest, so I’m kinda forced to unschool ;) . Although I find it hard sometimes to ‘let it go’…..

  13. Mirjam–We all find it hard to let go and trust sometimes! It does get easier. Can you find some support or like minded people to meet or hang out with. That certainly helps! Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment!

  14. I’m not an unschooler but someday I might very well be. There are so many different lifestyles out there that are often misconstrued. The only way to change that is to offer our honest first-hand knowledge & experiences. Thank you for sharing.

  15. Hi Kristen, yes, I do have like minded people online or IRL. I’ve always liked the idea of unschooling, but a little unbelievable at the same time ;)

  16. Satsuki—Your welcome and thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.


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