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To Those Who Give Unschooling A Bad Name

Just when I started feeling comfortable referring to myself as an unschooler or even a radical unschooler, I have decided to pull back, retreat if you will. I love the authentic ideas and practice of unschooling / radical unschooling (RU). I love talking about it and reading about it. What I don’t love is someone, somewhere deciding if I am “doing it right.”  That is what held me back from outwardly identifying myself as an unschooler for so long–the judgment—John Holt wrote and spoke about unschooling then a few interpreted it and THEY decide if we are doing it right or wrong? I don’t like that.

Maybe it’s not even really that. Because I do understand for clarity sake that you don’t call yourself an unschooler and then make your kid wear a coat because YOU think it’s cold or you coerce your kids into doing what you want etc…I have been judgmental in the past too. Deciding if Mrs A is really an unschooler when she is telling me about her kids having to do just a little bit of school work or Mrs. B’s kids only being “allowed” a certain amount of screen time, sleep time etc…Who cares ? Who am I to judge? And why spend my time or focus my energy doing that? Good way to turn people off to unschooling!

Yet really what is important here is me, my family and what I am doing. I don’t need to be concerned what my neighbors family is doing and what they are calling it. I think taking the judgement away  just allows us to be-and be authentic to what is important to our family-not the unschooling movement. Yeah-this is going to make me unpopular. Because believe it or not-even in  unschooling-even the virtual unschooling world-there is a hierarchy and it is very clickish. It’s  sort of like… hmmm… school! Or the lifestyle we are trying to separate ourselves from by making these radical choices.

I have a problem with the amount of respect that is supposed to be extended to children in this movement yet it is definitely not always extended in the same way to adults.  I can say, ” Oh who cares!”  to a lot and nothing directly happened to me to cause me to write this post. But I am seeing a holier than thou attitude on line and I don’t want any part of that. Sure I may sport a bumper sticker that claims, MY UNSHOOLED STUDENT WILL HIRE YOUR HONOR STUDENT and I have been taken to the mat for it by a fellow unschooler and good friend. My defense may be “Lighten up-it’s a joke.”  I haven’t even thought about that conversation again until I started writing this-but if that bumper sticker connects me to those that are making unschooling an exclusive dogmatic religion-than I don’t really want to call myself an unschooler.

Maybe it’s all in a name or the label. I want unschooling support and I want to be able to give unschooling support but don’t know if I want to call it unschooling if that label causes exclusion. So maybe just saying we are living an authentic life is a better fit for me. You can call yourself whatever you want-it shouldn’t concern me. Reformed unschoolers?  I know this ‘name calling” was hashed out earlier this year (and probably several other times). People want a sense of belonging, a village, to find their people. And a way to that sense of community is sometimes in a name because the name identifies the groups ideology as a whole. Maybe an off shoot would be a better place for me to lend and get support. I know in one breath I am saying I shouldn’t care what the neighbors think and in the next I am renaming and starting a different branch. I think it is  still my need for support with in my own comfort level-so I am also being exclusive too I guess. Although, I would rather see it as inclusive. Semantics? Maybe.

I used to read a few unschooling lists when we first started unschooling. I remember being sort of unnerved and scared off by some of what I read. It seemed that some of the “authorities” on unschooling were very judgmental and harsh in their response to on line questions and scenarios. So I turned away from those lists, found some local support and my own way to unschooling. I have since re joined some lists and now that the virtual world is almost more popular than the real world with lists, blogs, facebook and twitter all wanting to give you what you need, it is really easy to get pulled into this exclusive, negative dogma part of unschooling. The message hasn’t changed much. The same self appointed authorities are still rudely ruling the lists. I swear not all unschoolers are like this-if you have read these lists and blogs and are turned off -you are not alone!! It all seems so religious to me-the dogma, the preachers the exclusion. So separatist.

So-I’m out. Wanting to be part of the in-crowd and bring hits to my blog isn’t being very authentic. I am moving off line a bit and back to my in person, real life. Spending too much time reding what I am supposed to do in what “everyone else” is doing instead of just following my heart and spending time with family and friends. I got what I needed from those lists and unschoolers and now I am choosing to take what I like and leave the rest behind-not a popular idea in the radical unschoolers world! (The all or nothing, black and white world.)  I am choosing to be true to my family and not an idea. I know I am not the  only “unschooler” who feels this way and when others have tried to voice this opinion they have been flamed and kicked off lists. Whatever. I am very lucky to have in real life support. I just hope I can extend the authenticity and acceptance that I seek  to others as well.

I have been listening to Amy Childs Whatever, Whatever Amen podcasts. I love them-I can’t listen to them fast enough or find the time to listen to all of them. But they are powerful, uplifting and POSITIVE. They send a happy message. The podcasts speak more to living an authentic life and no so much to labeling your whole life unschooling (although she certainly talks about and uses the term unschooling ). If you are looking for a more positive spin on this lifestyle I encourage you to listen.

I much prefer Amy’s way of sharing the authentic life

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Posted in homeschooling and unschooling by Kristen on March 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm.

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  1. There is a lot I love about you but one of the biggest reasons you were my favorite LLL leader and homeschooling inspiration is that you always seemed like someone who could see the good in other people. You always had that “Good for them!” attitude that brought more people to the fold then sent them away. I remember how reasonable you were at LLL — sharing the information, modeling child-centered parenting but meeting every attendee wherever they were and offering them encouragement, support and respect. And yet you’ve been able to do this without compromising your OWN values, which is really a tricky balancing act. I think your blog with your inspirational photos and ideas does more to bring people around to considering unschooling than any finger-pointing bad-mouthing ever could. The homeschooling needs more people like you — inspiring, committed but without all that nasty judgment. Go Kristen go!!!!

  2. *clap clap clap clap* That is exactly why I always hesitate to call myself an unschooler. A few loud examples in the unschooling community, and we’re all painted with the same judgmental brush. Love those podcasts.

  3. I’m so sorry you feel that way!! :-( I hope you don’t apply that to *all* radical unschoolers, because I know many who are very welcoming and respectful.

    I do think that sometimes, especially online where it’s so much easier to be meaner or harsher than people would normally be to someones face, there really isn’t enough respect shown, and that just turns people off, is hurtful, and doesn’t do anyone any good. I have many friends in the unschooling community, know many truly awesome people, and think that sometimes people appear more “clickesh” than they actually are (this is coming from a relative newcomer, who’s found that though sometimes it seems everyone has their own little exclusive group, that’s often not the case at all, and they’re actually really welcoming!). I know what it feels like to feel judged or unwelcome, so I always try my damnedest to be as welcoming as my shy personality permits to everyone I come across!

    I’ve heard this sentiment from many people, and it truly saddens me. I really love unschooling, I really want others to discover the joy in it, and I really want them to feel supported on their path, the same way *I* want to feel supported on my path. I guess there’s still a lot of work to do in that area…

    Peace,
    Idzie

  4. I totally agree, and those are the major reasons I’ve never used the unschooling label. Most of my unschooling friends tell me we’re unschoolers, but my brief time on unschooling lists left such a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t want strangers on the other side of the country yelling at me or judging me about what my kids do. Twice I was asked to leave unschooling lists because I stuck up for mothers who were being bashed (both were brand new to unschooling and promptly left). Bashing should never be a form of education, of children or adults.

    The final straw was when a famous unschool zealot told me I was unfairly restricting my children when I said I didn’t want my 2 and 4 y/o daughters around guns.

    I call our family “relaxed eclectic homeschoolers.” Sometimes I use words like child-led. I’ve spent nearly 12 years figuring out what works with these four kids and our path is a really wonderful one as far as any of us are concerned (kids included). I don’t need a stamp of approval from anyone else.

    It’s a shame that some in the unschooling community are so strident, because they alienate so many people who share the same fundamental values. And really, nice matters. Or at least it should.

    Never mind labeling yourself. You are a fabulous mom with fabulous kids and a fabulous blog, and people will visit and love you no matter what words you use for yourself. :)

  5. Wonderful post Kristen! So authentic and such valuable stuff in what you’ve written. I’ve always eschewed labels for myself and my kids– they feel so uncomfortable to me even as I also feel the need for support and community for where I am at any one moment (which is what you were getting at too). Thanks :)

  6. are you able to download the podcasts into itunes? I can’t seem to make it work. :( Good blog, btw!

  7. oops nevermind I figured it out, I had to search directly from itunes.

  8. There are so many of us that feel exactly the same way. It’s funny (and not) how much it can start looking like school yard hierarchy and bullying. I’m not one for labels either, but it’s somewhat inevitable when we want to connect with like minded people… *sigh* Thanks for writing this!

  9. I like you very much. You are one of those freaks who finds peace in balance.

    Weirdo.

    ;)

  10. Dawn—Thanks Dawney!! You’re a keeper!!

  11. Abby–yes, that paintbrush! Let’s change our name and get those T-shirts made up soon!!

  12. Hi Idzie—It is sad. No one should feel like that especially in an unschooling arena-that seems so hypocritical. And NO I don’t think all unschoolers are this harsh but some of the- know it all-article producing voices cloud the pool. I am looking for somewhere else to swim. I also agree that it is really difficult to have a real discussion on line. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. Always nice to hear what you have to share!

  13. Magic and Mayhem—Say no more-the experience you had is not unusual unfortunately. I feel like we are involved in a bad religion-and who can’t see that those preachers are crazy?? I just want to shake the followers back to reality!! Thanks so much for your kind words. It’s so true-just do what works for your family and who cares about a label! Thanks for commenting!

  14. Amy–Always the epitome of support. Really I may not always tip my hat your way—but I really appreciate your kind words. You are one of the most positive -authentic people I know!

  15. Sheila–thanks!! You will love those podcasts-and not just the ones on parenting! Happy Birthday to Beth! Thanks for reading.

  16. Annie—Thanks-sad but true huh?! I don’t want any part of that. Thanks for leaving a comment!

  17. Christine–Ha-balance -the illusion of-because I really struggle with that! But I am all about RV’s dread locks, raw food!! Love it! One weirdo to another!! ;)

  18. I LOVE your blog! Just discovered it tonight through Google Alerts. We have been unschooling a year now, and love it. I have started feeling pretty confident in what we do, and how we are doing it. I’ve stopped comparing myself to other families.
    I know what you mean about how rude some of the people can be online. I have never been in a online argument about unschooling, don’t want to.

    Love your hamburger cake, that is pretty awesome. Also the experiment you did with the cereal and magnets.
    Hope you enjoy the rest of your week!

  19. Darcel–Excellent-I am a subscriber to your blog! Your girls are so busy!! I have never been in an on line argument either -and don’t really want to!! But I knew I was getting this weird secular feeling watching a fellow unschooler not being supported-when he just wanted to open up dialog-a good discussion is all. Why argue? We’re all in this together. I was a little fed up :) Thanks so much for stopping by and leaving a comment! Can’t wait to “meet” your new baby!!

  20. I don’t care what you call it – your kids are some of the best people I have met. And considering some of the people my child attends traditional school with – I would chose you and your people every time. Your kids are supportive, accepting, polite and respectful. We (my family) are finding this is a lost art in raising children in todays world. What you do works.

  21. Dear Kristin, the dutch Josh is back again. Your blog is one of the few blogs I check everyday for a new post. I left an unschoolers list too because of the doctrine. Every child has it’s own need for love and structure, and a mother who wants to walk their walk with them is just good. I got into problem over the Secret, as if following the secret is teh only way! Thanks for your blog.

  22. Maria—:} You’re so nice!! I would say we miss you at the rec center but we barely go anymore! SO just miss you! How are you feeling? You’re so good at advocating for your kids in their broken school system-I bet their school’s hate you! tehehe I love it!! Check this letter to a teacher from a parent whose kid is in school for different reasons than most-you will love it! http://amychilds.com/2010/02/128/

  23. Josh–Thanks-As I said it before-We (unschoolers) are all trying to live this radical lifestyle together-We are so in the minority-we should be supportive of each other and not berate those who just want to question stuff-questioning is good! The thing about the secret is more about just putting that positive spin on your life. Choosing to see the good-if you do that of course you notice all the good around you and stop harping on the negative. Thanks for reading and commenting!

  24. LOVE THE LETTER – so true to how I feel and yes, the school hates it when I remind them about my non-traditional school beliefs! Like when I tell them I don’t care how my kids do on the standardized testing and won’t stress them out over it.
    Here’s a great story – - I spoke to my single mom sister-in-law yesterday in PA and she informed me that her 1st grader (my niece Ali) is receiving troubling feedback from the teacher. Apparently Ali corrects the teacher when the teacher makes mistakes, she reads at a 3rd grade or above level, she gets her work done too fast (although correctly) and HERE IT COMES – “Ali has an alpha-dog problem.”
    I was horrified and offered to drive to PA and go to the next conference. I am quite certain that my very bright niece has no idea what an alpha dog is and this is exactly what I’d tell the teacher.
    It is quite clear to me that Ali is not only bored, but smarter than her teacher and the teacher is threatened. It is so pathetic. If only the teacher would give Ali projects and challenge her academically, not only would Ali LOVE school, but she’d probably be a great asset to her peers!
    I’ll keep you posted on the conference – I have every intention of going and letting that school hate me too!

  25. Love your comment about showing respect to both child and parent. And I can see how that attitude made you a great LLL Leader as well. People are always surprised when I say it was my LLL Leader that convinced me to night wean Jamie when he was 15 months old. Apropos of nothing, really, just, that people should be reasonable and there’s really no excuse to not be.

  26. Ally—Thanks Ally! Reasonable-yes! Respect for children is huge–(especially in unschooling) as is modeling behavior. So respect should be extended to all. Thanks for commenting! Hope to see you soon.

  27. My daughter started a blog that we described as “musings of a Zen-schooled, unschooled, homeschooled kid” and now we’re going to have to add public-schooled in there as well because she’s wanting to go back to public school. Luckily we’ve found one that has actually been endorsed by John Holt. My point is that since starting to homeschool, we do a lot of the same things that we already did when she was public schooled. I’ve chosen to include the title of unschooling because of the fact that so much of her time is spent doing what she wants. Yep, we do some stuff that I want, but for the most part her time is all hers.

  28. Wendy—Excellent that you found something that works for YOUR family–call it what you like, it doesn’t really matter!! Love your blog full of fun stuff-and your photos are awesome! Thanks for reading and leaving a comment.

  29. Thanks for voicing what so many others have been feeling. As someone who “unschooled” 30 years ago and has been an advocate for as many years, the more recent defining, labeling, judging, etc. has bothered me for a long time. I try very hard to keep this stuff out of Life Learning Magazine, and hope I’m mostly successful. (We try to use the term “life learning” instead of “unschooling,” but many people don’t understand what it means, so “unschooling” is the fall-back word.) I have written about the labeling, slotting, judging, etc. many times (it happens, as many of you know, in other communities too, such as AP); my latest blog post is here: http://lifelearningmagazine.com/blog/2010/03/22/theres-no-right-way-so-lets-lose-the-insults/. It’s had more hits than any other, so I guess there is an interest in the topic! Here’s hoping we solve the problem.

  30. Wendy P—-I am flattered that you read my blog!! This post of mine has had many hits also. I was really prepared for negative comments but I am so happy with all the positive response! Glad I am not in the minority feeling the negative vibe! It would be really hard to get away from the term unschooling-but I do agree that Life Learning is a much better term.Thanks so much for reading and commenting.

  31. Be proud! Only you as parent can decide what the kids need to learn and if your doing it right.

  32. Just found your blog through Darcel’s post – glad I did :)

    “I am choosing to be true to my family and not an idea.” – totally agree! doesn’t make me fit neatly into a box or label at all – but, in the end, it is the truth and so i must find/follow it.

  33. I just found your blog through Enjoy life unschooling. This was a great post. I go back and forth about this in my head all the time. I say we are unschoolers, but would other people call me that? Then I think do I really care what other people call me? As long as my kids are happy with how we are learning about life and I have the support of my family does it really matter? No not really. It’s just a name a way to let others know how we like to learn if they don’t think we are “doing it right” then I guess they don’t have to watch. I really like the feel of your blog. Looking forward to reading more.

    Rana

  34. deb—Yes-being true to your family and your gut are what matters most. Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting!

  35. Rana–Thanks-Sometimes it’s hard not to feel like you “fit” somewhere but at the end of the day it’s just you and your family anyways so as long as you’re all fitting together, the label doesn’t matter. Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting.

  36. As a mother who is researching and considering homeschooling (especially unschooling), this post is incredibly refreshing. It always confuses me to see strict “guidelines” and judgmental attitudes from homeschoolers – isn’t that one of the things they were trying to get away from in “traditional” schooling? (insert head scratch)

  37. Dionna—Yeah, I can do with out the judgment too. We are all in this together–let’s support each other where ever we are at in this path. We didn’t all fall into radical unschooling the day we heard of it. It is a journey. And it sure is nice to have support along the way. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.

  38. If we feel secure in our choices, guided by happiness, head and heart in alignment, we don’t feel the need to judge. I can totally relate to your feelings. When I first encountered unschooling, got excited, and joined in the online community, I was very quickly turned off by the free flying criticisms and lack of support for individual paths.

  39. Sara—That’s too bad-really. But good thing you followed your heart-because that is what is most important. Thanks for leaving a comment!

  40. I alternatively smiled and felt sort of ill through this post.
    Just because I can totally relate.

    I’ve stopped for a while, and then put the badge on again.

    Around four years ago I was saying “it sure is dogmatic for something that isn’t supposed to have any rules!”

    Can make you feel really unaccepted (kicked out before you even get started) and lonely and judged. :(
    ‘ Not a big fan of being judged.

  41. Stephanie–Glad you didn’t let that experience scare you away. But also too bad you had to even have those experiences. We are all just trying our best on this journey. Thanks for commenting.

  42. I just found your blog today after reading your comment on Peter Gray’s blog regarding math. I love your blog and am so glad to find you! I have had this very same experience therefore had to comment on this particular post. I joined a Yahoo unschooling group and was so turned off by it I never went back. I didn’t need to be mothered to death by a famous unschooler (whose work I really like, mind you)–I just wanted to find support and be support for this “life learning” lifestyle we are trying to live.

    Anyway, thank you for writing about this.

  43. Lisa—-Thanks, I can’t tell you how surprised I am to keep getting comments like yours. Not one negative comment! Support is what we are here for on this journey! Thanks so much for taking the time to read and leave me comment.

  44. Yep. Former teacher with only an almost 3 year old and I’m there. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO over it. Left all the lists but one. Decided we’re unschoolers but not worrying about whether we’re “radical” unschoolers although much of our parenting is in that vein. Totally pissed that most of the people on the lists–especially the one *for* those new to unschooling–never make the distinction between educational and whole-life unschooling, or ever admit that you don’t HAVE to parent a certain way to homeschool without curriculum. 2 out of 3 of the local unschooling families we’ve had individual playdates with started using curriculum primarily because food issues, disrespectful language, and kids up all night just about broke the parents. Meanwhile, of course, some of the unschoolers I’m vaguely associated with through AP groups would think I was a child abuser if they knew my child watched TV for hours while I took care of sick relatives or ate ice cream for breakfast some days even though she eats a ton of healthy food. I’m so sick of people who claim to be advocating *for* something really just ranting angrily *against* “the wrong way.” Rant over! I hear you, sister. Thank you for saying it.

  45. Ahhhh, here it is online…. I know I heard it all in person at the time and loved every word of it :) Labels have always been an issue for me and I am with you – no labels for me. Conviction, yes, but on my own terms and my own business. I respect others convictions, terms and business because it is their life to live. Who knew that the term unschooler was such a specific, detailed way of homeschooling for some. You make so many good points, hit on some real truth here, thanks for blogging!

  46. Alex—Glad you left the lists but not unschooling. Yes—just keep doing what works for your family—whatever it’s called! Thanks for commenting.

  47. Niqui–Thanks!

  48. Becky Jan 5th 2011

    I know this is an older post but boy I can really relate. I just joined a couple lists tonight as I explore unschooling and decide if it’s right for our family. “Unnerved and scared off” hits the nail on the head. I lost a great deal of respect for some people.

  49. Julie Mar 8th 2011

    Lovely! I have spoken up a few times on discussion lists about the hypocrisy of treating our children with great respect and then addressing adults as if it’s our job to change them and change them right away in order to rescue their children. It was never a very popular thing when I did. Just commented here:
    http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/bullying-1?page=6&commentId=2184370:Comment:129476&x=1#2184370Comment129476

    It seems that any time I brought this issue up in the past, those who disagreed would assume that I just wanted to blow sunshine up everyone’s butt and deliver pats on the head. I think there is a happy medium that is neither syrupy nor abusive, just respectful.


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